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	<title>Comments on: Environmentalism the Enemy of International Development?</title>
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	<description>Pretentious Waffle from Wales</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/07/environmentalism-the-enemy-of-international-development.html/comment-page-1#comment-12863</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dizzy,

Thanks for stopping by. I have not taken what you said. I was quoting the comment from someone calling himself &quot;Fahrenheit&quot; on your blog. You will notice  that I said &quot;a comment on another blog...&quot;

You say I extol the argument you charge the left od doing. In fact, it was  &quot;Fahrenheit&quot; who charged the left with not actually wanting the third world to develop. I have not extolled that argument. I have argued that in order for the third world to develop, they need free access to foreign markets. I have also made the point that environmental considerations are not at odds with this agenda.

The point you did make was that we should not be advocating policies that are detrimental to the third world. However, the point I made on your blog (which was in anycase unanswered) is that most of the high mileage food we import comes from places like the USA (often imported from South America and prcessed through the US)/Canada, Australia/New Zealand or elsewhere in the EU. Furthermore, economic dumping and the locking of third world countries out of our markets are a problem which distorts the markets and prevents third world countries from responding to market forces.

What do you mean by &quot;command economy requests upon developing countries growers to service your ideological fundamentalism&quot;. That doesn&#039;t appear to make much sense. 

You seem to have read &quot;government should force people to eat in season produce&quot; where I clearly wrote that &quot;we should eat in season produce&quot;.

At no point did I argue that the coercive mechanisms of government should be used to elicit a change in your behaviour (however wrongheaded or reprehensible it may be). You appear to be imputing an ideology to me that is not there. Is this because you consider me to be left wing? Note that I said that I thought such distinctions are bogus, and as long as you compartmentalise people in this way, you will not understand them.

So when you say that I don&#039;t believe in freedom, I note that you do not seem to have the first clue what I believe. 

Don&#039;t feel so defensive. We will not make progress with a discussion if you are so heavily invested in the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dizzy,</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by. I have not taken what you said. I was quoting the comment from someone calling himself &#8220;Fahrenheit&#8221; on your blog. You will notice  that I said &#8220;a comment on another blog&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>You say I extol the argument you charge the left od doing. In fact, it was  &#8220;Fahrenheit&#8221; who charged the left with not actually wanting the third world to develop. I have not extolled that argument. I have argued that in order for the third world to develop, they need free access to foreign markets. I have also made the point that environmental considerations are not at odds with this agenda.</p>
<p>The point you did make was that we should not be advocating policies that are detrimental to the third world. However, the point I made on your blog (which was in anycase unanswered) is that most of the high mileage food we import comes from places like the USA (often imported from South America and prcessed through the US)/Canada, Australia/New Zealand or elsewhere in the EU. Furthermore, economic dumping and the locking of third world countries out of our markets are a problem which distorts the markets and prevents third world countries from responding to market forces.</p>
<p>What do you mean by &#8220;command economy requests upon developing countries growers to service your ideological fundamentalism&#8221;. That doesn&#8217;t appear to make much sense. </p>
<p>You seem to have read &#8220;government should force people to eat in season produce&#8221; where I clearly wrote that &#8220;we should eat in season produce&#8221;.</p>
<p>At no point did I argue that the coercive mechanisms of government should be used to elicit a change in your behaviour (however wrongheaded or reprehensible it may be). You appear to be imputing an ideology to me that is not there. Is this because you consider me to be left wing? Note that I said that I thought such distinctions are bogus, and as long as you compartmentalise people in this way, you will not understand them.</p>
<p>So when you say that I don&#8217;t believe in freedom, I note that you do not seem to have the first clue what I believe. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t feel so defensive. We will not make progress with a discussion if you are so heavily invested in the argument.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzy</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/07/environmentalism-the-enemy-of-international-development.html/comment-page-1#comment-12858</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right about one thing. Your waffle is pretentious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right about one thing. Your waffle is pretentious.</p>
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		<title>By: dizzy</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/07/environmentalism-the-enemy-of-international-development.html/comment-page-1#comment-12857</link>
		<dc:creator>dizzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a complete pile of nonsense. Not only have you totally taken what I said and turned into something but you have then proceeded to extol precisely the argument I charged the left of doing. 

You are advocating a deeply reactionary argument that makes command economy requests upon developing countries growers to service your ideoliogical fudnamentalism around something called &quot;sustainble development&quot;.

At the same time you are saying we should only eat ins eason produce. Well I&#039;m sorry, Government has right to tell me waht I will and will not eat, and if I want to buy produce from Africa then I should. But I should be able to buy from Africa where the person selling it to me does not face massive command economy tarrifs on imports. 

The commentator is not wong on all points. He just beleives in freedom. You don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a complete pile of nonsense. Not only have you totally taken what I said and turned into something but you have then proceeded to extol precisely the argument I charged the left of doing. </p>
<p>You are advocating a deeply reactionary argument that makes command economy requests upon developing countries growers to service your ideoliogical fudnamentalism around something called &#8220;sustainble development&#8221;.</p>
<p>At the same time you are saying we should only eat ins eason produce. Well I&#8217;m sorry, Government has right to tell me waht I will and will not eat, and if I want to buy produce from Africa then I should. But I should be able to buy from Africa where the person selling it to me does not face massive command economy tarrifs on imports. </p>
<p>The commentator is not wong on all points. He just beleives in freedom. You don&#8217;t.</p>
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