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	<description>Pretentious Waffle from Wales</description>
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		<title>By: Stevo</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/06/bt-openreach-engineers-that-suck.html/comment-page-3#comment-127953</link>
		<dc:creator>Stevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 19:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fully Trained Openreach ADSL technical Expert/HHT Gold User&quot;

&quot;alot of Aliminium cable and due 
to the electrical imbalance over Ali (ADSL
  works by wrapping itself around the copper&quot;

Ha ha &quot;expert&quot; are you having a laugh ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fully Trained Openreach ADSL technical Expert/HHT Gold User&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;alot of Aliminium cable and due<br />
to the electrical imbalance over Ali (ADSL<br />
  works by wrapping itself around the copper&#8221;</p>
<p>Ha ha &#8220;expert&#8221; are you having a laugh ?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/06/bt-openreach-engineers-that-suck.html/comment-page-3#comment-127936</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2012 12:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment. I understand that there is a lot of reading here (I should probably just close comments on this page as it is rather old now). However do try and keep up. In the case above, the circuit WAS pretty exceptional. The problem was upstream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment. I understand that there is a lot of reading here (I should probably just close comments on this page as it is rather old now). However do try and keep up. In the case above, the circuit WAS pretty exceptional. The problem was upstream.</p>
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		<title>By: Fully Trained Openreach ADSL technical Expert/HHT Gold User</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/06/bt-openreach-engineers-that-suck.html/comment-page-3#comment-127901</link>
		<dc:creator>Fully Trained Openreach ADSL technical Expert/HHT Gold User</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 22:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is clearly an issue with the training/development of alot of ADSL trained engineers throughout the company.Most other engineers i speak to are clearly Sync chasers.many do not check for DCN,SNR values within correct parameters,CRC or HEC errors.but if you do not have a full understanding of the infrastructure then you just simply cannot pass comment or judgement.granted you people who have full knowledge of the networking side of telecoms are well within your rights to try and act like you know but quite simply you do not.Steven you say you had the newest copper installed well congratulations but like alot of the &#039;&#039;new copper&#039;&#039; that is installed in most of the residential or business premises that i work in in the City Of London,it is either star wired or just generally absolutely disgraceful i.e cheap thin &#039;o.36&#039; copper/poor LJU&#039;s.But the big fact of the matter is B.T&#039;s network still consists of alot of Aliminium cable and due to the electrical imbalance over Ali (ADSL works by wrapping itself around the copper(simplified it for simple people) therefore with the testers that are given i.e JDSU or EXFO testers it is a physical impossibity to have a &#039;&#039;perfect&#039;&#039; ADSL circuit.Thanks and Goodnight</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is clearly an issue with the training/development of alot of ADSL trained engineers throughout the company.Most other engineers i speak to are clearly Sync chasers.many do not check for DCN,SNR values within correct parameters,CRC or HEC errors.but if you do not have a full understanding of the infrastructure then you just simply cannot pass comment or judgement.granted you people who have full knowledge of the networking side of telecoms are well within your rights to try and act like you know but quite simply you do not.Steven you say you had the newest copper installed well congratulations but like alot of the &#8221;new copper&#8221; that is installed in most of the residential or business premises that i work in in the City Of London,it is either star wired or just generally absolutely disgraceful i.e cheap thin &#8216;o.36&#8242; copper/poor LJU&#8217;s.But the big fact of the matter is B.T&#8217;s network still consists of alot of Aliminium cable and due to the electrical imbalance over Ali (ADSL works by wrapping itself around the copper(simplified it for simple people) therefore with the testers that are given i.e JDSU or EXFO testers it is a physical impossibity to have a &#8221;perfect&#8221; ADSL circuit.Thanks and Goodnight</p>
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		<title>By: Openpeeps</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/06/bt-openreach-engineers-that-suck.html/comment-page-3#comment-125181</link>
		<dc:creator>Openpeeps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David - see the replies you have already got on the openpeeps engineer site :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David &#8211; see the replies you have already got on the openpeeps engineer site <img src='http://safle.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there,

I am keen to join as an Openreach engineer into the Sussex area, can any of your engineers advise of the best path?

I have 4yrs experience in IT Networking, supporting small companies with HP/DELL Servers, switches, routers, wireless technologies etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>I am keen to join as an Openreach engineer into the Sussex area, can any of your engineers advise of the best path?</p>
<p>I have 4yrs experience in IT Networking, supporting small companies with HP/DELL Servers, switches, routers, wireless technologies etc.</p>
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		<title>By: down trodden</title>
		<link>http://safle.org/wordpress/2007/03/06/bt-openreach-engineers-that-suck.html/comment-page-3#comment-122054</link>
		<dc:creator>down trodden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:43:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More than likely he was testing/commissioning the pre connected extensions you have and your service provider will being paying for this on a pre agreed arrangement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More than likely he was testing/commissioning the pre connected extensions you have and your service provider will being paying for this on a pre agreed arrangement.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, it is much more likely the engineer was trying to be helpful in this case. An example of one of the many good openreach engineers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, it is much more likely the engineer was trying to be helpful in this case. An example of one of the many good openreach engineers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>......In addition to my comment 124 - many intruder alarm systems have diallers to call a monitoring centres etc these are connected to the phone line and are very often unfiltered which can cause huge issues with digital service such as ADSL, the chap was more than likely checking for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;In addition to my comment 124 &#8211; many intruder alarm systems have diallers to call a monitoring centres etc these are connected to the phone line and are very often unfiltered which can cause huge issues with digital service such as ADSL, the chap was more than likely checking for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Checking out your security system ? dont be a plonker mate all BT staff are CRB checked - we work in banks, building societies, jewellers etc, etc why on earth would he want to rob you ?. He was just obviously doing a good job for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Checking out your security system ? dont be a plonker mate all BT staff are CRB checked &#8211; we work in banks, building societies, jewellers etc, etc why on earth would he want to rob you ?. He was just obviously doing a good job for you.</p>
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		<title>By: New Customer</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Customer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 09:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. I just had a visit from an OpenReach engineer to connect my phone up. He did that successfully on the ground floor and as I went upstairs to check the other connections, he enthusiastically bounded ahead of me and went, in succession into each of the rooms to check the connection. I did not ask him to do this but thought nothing of it - I had nothing to hide. However, as he was packing his stuff up he appeared to take a long hard glance at our security system. Perhaps I&#039;m paranoid but was his enthusiasm to check all the sockets in the house just a ruse to check out the security system and identify entry points???

I wondered if anyone else had similar experiences?

I asked for his name afterwards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. I just had a visit from an OpenReach engineer to connect my phone up. He did that successfully on the ground floor and as I went upstairs to check the other connections, he enthusiastically bounded ahead of me and went, in succession into each of the rooms to check the connection. I did not ask him to do this but thought nothing of it &#8211; I had nothing to hide. However, as he was packing his stuff up he appeared to take a long hard glance at our security system. Perhaps I&#8217;m paranoid but was his enthusiasm to check all the sockets in the house just a ruse to check out the security system and identify entry points???</p>
<p>I wondered if anyone else had similar experiences?</p>
<p>I asked for his name afterwards</p>
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